11 Responses to “My THOUGHTS On A History Of Webcomics V.1 ~OR~ Do It Right”

  1. Wonderful messageboard rant…

  2. Ah man, I just cant leave it at that…

    I realize that by your logic, there hasn’t sufficient time passage before I can critique this. But, this whole rant reads like it’s one of two things:

    1- A fanboy vehemetly backing up the previously stated opinions of his favorite webcartoonists. Which is the way I’m leaning right now since you havent provided a new opinion, and implied most of their character assassinations.

    Oh wait, that’s not fair. You DID lambaste the printer for not making it color. Fuck you, Antarctic Press!

    2 – Or a far-too-late attempt to generate controversy/ traffic with the most recent target du jour. Which is quite possible give past history around here in regards to drama.

    Anyway, I can see why you’re not doing the reviews.

  3. First off, I never said I was a professional reviewer, so let that one go, alright?

    Next, I was the one charged with reading the book and giving my thoughts and that’s just what they are: MY thoughts. I tend to agree with what everyone else has already said about the book because, most likely, it’s what most people are thinking. If not, they are opinions and everyone’s got one.

    I read books for enjoyment and a comprehensive history of a medium that has proven itself to exist simply for the purpose of providing enjoyment in some way should be somewhat enjoyable, in my opinion.

    I stand by my statements and could care less why THE William G agrees with me or not. Talk to the boss ’round here if you don’t want me to do anymore reviews. I’m sure you can probably get a petition started or something…

  4. Oooo! Do we have our traffic-getting drama yet?!

  5. Yirmumah says:

    We have a kurtz, a william g…. a coffman… if only you could get a Manley or Campbell in here arguing, people might give a shit about this article.

    Wasnt this so last year when people were saying how retarded it was to have a HISTORY of webcomics book? heh. I’m just busting your balls man.

    I’m surprised no one mentioned that digitalstrips.com was mentioned in the NY TIMES article… thats where the real drama is at these days.

  6. T Campbell says:

    DISCLAIMER: The following is meant as an attack strictly on MC’s argument about A History of Webcomics and not on MC’s other reviews or life or soul or personal hygiene. I assume until otherwise notified that MC is in fact a wonderful person who tips 20% and would stop to help a woman in labor even if it cost him a job interview. Response begins… now.

    I seriously can’t follow these arguments, MC. You allude, without committing yourself, to a couple of thoroughly unfounded claims:

    Reread Gary Tyrell’s review if you want; at no point does he claim the information in there is false, only misleading and, in one case which I find trivial, erroneous. The only people who have claimed the book’s information was false have not only made false arguments, they didn’t even bother to read it first. But OH! it’s okay, because you’re just saying the information MIGHT be false, similar to the way I could say you MIGHT be a child-murderer. Why haven’t any of the book’s critics exposed such spurious falsehoods in the months following its release? Because this would require actual reading and research, and because they CAN’T.

    What you are misremembering concerning images is a dispute about the commissioned COVER of the book, not its contents, a dispute quickly resolved to the satisfaction of all parties actually involved, but trumped up after the fact by people who should have known better. If you’re not gonna do basic research about things that are easily found online, let alone things that might actually require some digging and interviewing, then hrm! Maybe it would be helpful if you had a BOOK on hand that did some of that stuff for you!

    The rest of the time, it seems like you don’t like the book but can’t decide why.

    Should it be more concerned with accuracy or amusement value?

    Is it “too soon” to do the book because webcomics is only ten/thirteen years old or might a book like this be done that covers only the first FIVE years of webcomics?

    Is the book unnecessary or should it have been done in a completely different manner?

    Should the book be written for and therefore judged by webcomics outsiders, or should we be reading your perspective on it as a webcomics insider?

    Is this a REVIEW, or are you not even a REVIEWER?

    Is day NIGHT? Is white BLACK?

    And if the whole thing is so awful then WHY ON EARTH would the notion of corrections and revisions strike terror into your heart, gentle reader? Having raised the possibility that I mmmMIGHT be a thief or a liar, are you afraid that I’m going to break into your house in the dead of night and FORCE you to read v2.0? “It reads the passage on electronic pens, or else it gets the hose again.”

    *SIGH* At least you read v1.0, and of your own free will. Thanks for that much. I don’t deny that the book has real problems, but I wish the people who criticized it talked more about its actual content.

    The book was written for PEOPLE INTERESTED IN DEVELOPING ART AND LITERATURE, whether insiders or outsiders to this particular strain of both. But I don’t begrudge you the assumptions you make about my motivations based on my words, and I hope you won’t begrudge me the same sort of assumption:

    “We need no looking back just yet, only to look forward.” This implies that we CAN know where we’re going without knowing where we’ve been, and if that is truly your belief, then the book is emphatically not going to work for you. I think it may work better for those art-and-lit types who might also read books like The Google Story and magazine articles like New York’s “What If 9/11 Never Happened?,” people who believe that ten years or five years or one year is not too little time to gain perspective. At least, not on things that matter.

    This stuff matters to me, at least. And I want to understand it better now. Not ten years from now. Now.

    P.S.: I have nothing good to say in defense of the book’s design, except that your expectation that it be in full, splashy color is not economically realistic.

    Well, I guess I could also say that at least it isn’t one of those books like Gardner’s Art Through The Ages which can’t be bothered to put images on the same two-page spread as text describing them. Ooh, I hate that. So. Much.

    I missed my best chance for a good dramatic exit, didn’t I? Stopping typing now.

  7. DJ Coffman says:

    T, he read it and it’s his opinion on it. But he lured you out! heh…

  8. Thanks for the clarifications, T. I was expecting THAT much at least.

    You’re right, I do little to no research for reviews, so I guess I’ll just leave reviews for books with “History” in the title to others who will readily check sources and citations and such. It all just makes me head hurt, much like this comment thread.

    And thanks for taking my researching skills to task and not making this a personal attack. If I can’t back up my words, then I shouldn’t be doing this, right? I just wish others could follow the same example…

    And FYI, I tip based on performance, no matter how high the minimum gratuity might be and, though extremely icky, I would indeed help a woman give birth despite the sacrifice necessary to do so. I have also been known to, as they say, “pay it forward”.

  9. Gary Tyrrell says:

    T, buddy, it’s “TYRRELL”.

    Just bustin’ on ya. I’m feeling great because in WG’s estimation, I’ve gone from blowing Jon Rosenberg to merely being his publicist. I win!

  10. [...] Oh, and with regards to the eagerly anticipated, universally panned review of A History Of Webcomics, I shall simply quote You’ll Have That’s Wes Molebash: There’s a lot of drama in webcomics, and I think it’s funny. [...]

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